The Death of Freedom

 

Muslim protesters in London

Hat tip to Bracken for this one:  Tommy Robinson incarcerated in England.  After sitting around this morning at ye old waffle house the conversation was of course on the final presidential debate last night and what laughably passes nowadays for American foreign policy.  Let me get my viewpoint up front so you understand where I’m coming from:  IMHO eastern Islam is a threat to western civilization (I’ll explain why below).

Ya know when you’re headed out to kill someone it pays to know as much as you can about them.  As a young troop I studied everything I could get my hands on about the Soviet Union, Central American Nations, and the Middle East.   Part of my studies led me to take a good hard look at the Koran, something every foreign policy maker should do but obviously has failed to up to this point in time. Why study the Koran?  That text in itself will explain the fundamental reasons that western civilization and ideals are completely and irrevocably opposed to each other.  I spent some time this morning laying it out to the hands around a couple of tables and once I explained it they saw the light.  I’m going to cover some of the very same points in this entry that I spoke about this morning.

So why is Islam and what we consider western ideals so opposed to each other?  Simply put Islam doesn’t allow for what we take as our concept of freedoms.  Let’s take freedom of speech first.  In most western nations (except Britain as it appears from the article above) you can say pretty much anything and as long as it isn’t liable or slander it’s within your rights without repercussions.  Even then you can say what you want although you may face a lawsuit over it.  Islam and by extension it’s concept of law (Sharia law in this case) doesn’t allow for that.  Oh sure you can bad mouth Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. all you want but the moment you bad mouth either Islam or it’s prophets you face a penalty and from what we’ve seen in most instances in Islamic nations it’s death.   Ya know I ain’t fond of the Westboro Baptist idiots in any way shape or form but I believe in their First Amendment rights to spread their vile.  Just as I believe the Black Panthers, Skinheads, and all those other little narrow minded bigoted groups have the same right as well.  Not so in Islam.  The requirement to supplicate yourself in word and deed or face not only criminal but civil repercussions as well is perhaps the greatest point of difference.  But Treaded, we have Muslims in the US and they don’t raise hell over it.  True.  Here’s where you need to examine the differences in groups.  There are different types of Muslims.  The Muslims born and raised in the US for the most part hold freedoms above their religion and identify themselves as “Americans” before their faith.  Yeah there are exceptions (we hear about honor killings, beatings, forced marriages every now and then) but for the vast majority native American Muslims live within the laws and norms of our nation.  Muslims born in Islamic nations hold their religion above all else including the law of man.  You need a better example?  Take good old used to be great England.  Per capita their percentage of immigrant Muslims from eastern Islamic nations is probably greater than any other nation.  And that is why you see such a huge radical protesting and violent presence in that nation.  Those immigrants do not hold freedom and common law above all else but instead their Muslim faith defines their very existence and guides their actions in almost every instance.

Now look at Freedom of Religion.  In America you are free to believe in God, Allah, Bhudda, Moses, Flying Spaghetti Monsters, or nothing at all.  There is no penalty for your faith or lack thereof.  In Islam this isn’t true.   Non Muslims in Islamic nations are forced to pay A Jizya which is a form of taxes for the right to simply exist in those some of those nations.  That exists for the sole purpose of forcing people to accept Islam.  Not very reconcilable with our ideal of freedom of religion is it?  And if you don’t pay – well there’s been enough in the news about the persecution of non Muslims in Islamic countries lately to illustrate that for me.  Where does it say that?

Koran9:29: “Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”   

That is the very passage that drives things like Jihad, violent protests, and the mentality of most Islamic nation Muslims.  This is where I get a little pissed.  What if the passage read:

“Fight against those who believe not in Jesus/Bhudda/Moses/FSM, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by God and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not Christianity/Judaism/Buddhism/Pastafarianism as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay taxes with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”   

No one would really give a shit in the US, right ?  Exactly and that’s my point.  Such nonsense is the very subject of free and open ridicule here.  Try and play that game in Saudi Arabia and see what it gets you.  A few years back on a flight into Dhahran a guy was detained by the Immigration authorities for wearing a cross.  Detained for wearing a cross until he surrendered it for destruction.  And if he didn’t he was going to face some pretty harsh fines and immediate deportation.  Folks that is where England is headed.

Make no mistake as a commenter on Bracken’s facebook page correctly stated “Britannia is dead”.  Yup, and it’s undergoing the zombificaiotn of Sharia law.  Why?  Because they have given into the foolish and asinine concept that western ideals and freedoms are compatible with Islam.  Folks, as I’ve illustrated above with those two simple examples you can see they aren’t.  At least not until Muslims accept that personal freedom is more important than mass religious rights.

Bottom line:  When you use your religion as the core principle and guidance and accept it as law with little to no regard for the common law of man or the liberties and rights of others you’re a threat.  Be it Muslim, Westboro, etc. etc.

No religious group should ever wield such power over our nation that their perceived rights and laws should overcome our personal liberties.  We’ve seen it here already and we’re headed down the same trail as England.  Remember – the threat isn’t only from armed criminal elements, factions of our very own government, or the brainless twit sheeple that vote american idol nowadays.  We have a very real and credible threat from radical religious groups as well.  The question stands are we going to wake the hell up before it’s too late?  I ain’t taking that bet.

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18 Responses to The Death of Freedom

  1. Idahobob says:

    “Wake the hell up”…..as a nation?

    I don’t believe that we will see that until it is too late.

    Bob
    III

    • ghostsniper says:

      “Wake the hell up” implies someone is sleeping.
      They are not, they are wide awake.
      They just do not care and are incapable of doing so.
      They are happy and complacent and frankly, do not know what to do.
      They are hybrids, part human and part programmed machine.
      They cannot *wake up* because what seems like sleeping is really just deprogramming.
      They are what they are, now what to do with them, or should anything be done at all?

      Those capable of being awake are already, and should not waste time in trying to wake those that cannot.

      Steel thyself, for when the time comes they will be coming for you and all you possess.
      You know what must be done.

  2. Shrugger says:

    Should we proactively take the fight to these Islamic nations? I used to say yes, but now I say no.

  3. DAN III says:

    We have a usurping, non-Constitutional Muslim who emigrated from Indonesia, a Muslim country, sitting in the West Wing masquerading as being in compliance with Art 2, Sec 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution. Our ruling elite and media ignore this fact. Most Americans poo-poo soetoro-obama’s conspired highjacking of POTUS.

    Muslims have one of their own sitting in the Oval Office. They have done quite well after only SEVEN (7) short years after 11 SEP.

    DAN III
    “There Are Enemies Amongst Us”

  4. Aesop says:

    You’re trying to speak truth to a nation in which fewer than 1 in 1,000,000 could describe the historical significance of Lepanto or the Gates Of Vienna.
    And as evidenced by military recruitment in this country, the number of Muslims who favor liberty over jihad can be counted on fingers, if not actually on my thumbs.
    The root problem is that Islam never had a Reformation, wherein they decided that bloodshed was too high a cost to maintain the fusion of religion with politics.
    The sooner our country realizes that the best use of our blood and treasure is to force that lesson to sink in and take root, BEFORE we try any asinine attempts at “nation-building”, the better our lives, our futures, and the course of world events will be.
    Regards,
    -Aesop

  5. Robert Lawrence says:

    islam is a murder cult masquerading as a religion. It is pure evil and it is defacto that those who practice it are practtising evil.

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  8. Dan says:

    I pretty much agree with you with but one exception. The muslims born in America do not
    cherish freedom anymore than their counterparts born in Awackistan or wherever. They simply
    do not exist in America in large enough numbers to do to us what they are doing to Great (sic)
    Britain…..yet. But they are breeding and emigrating here as fast as they can. When they reach
    a level of population where they feel they can start pushing…they will push. In fact in some areas
    of the country they have started already…..as in Dearbornistan. The western world faces two
    choices. Recognize that we are in a fight to the death against islam and fight that battle to the
    only conclusion that maintains what we consider personal freedom…..which is the total extermination of islam and it’s adherents……OR…..accept that eventually islam will win and
    the world returns to the dark ages of the 7th century.

  9. Just an ol' chicken farmer says:

    I have wondered about this for some time, it seems we are running out of cash, and running up more debt, and what will happen to Europe when we can no longer afford to save them (again)? If the threat of U.S. intervention is taken away, what’s to stop the muslims that have already colonized large portions of most of western Europe? From what i’ve read and understand, basically they are already inside their OODA loop en masse, one tick on a hounddog ain’t a big deal, but 100 of the bloodsuckers left too long and you’ll be burying your best buddy.

  10. regt2000 says:

    First, as the adult Dan (at 2:32) says, the muslims here in America are simply keeping a low profile. Foe those who are _true_ believers of Islam, their “religion” (it is actually a cult, the cult of Mohammed) demands that they kill non-believers. It also allows them to have full-penetration sexual intercourse with children, both nine-year-old girls and “beardless boys”. It allows them to beat, rape, and kill their wives, mothers, sisters and daughters. It allows them to have sex with animals, as long as they don’t eat an animal they have ejaculated semen into. There are other nifty parts of the Qur’an, the Hadith, and other Islamic writings for those willing to do a little research into the truth.

    There certainly are a few “muslims” here in America who _think_ they believe in Islam, but since they want to get along with infidels, want to enjoy what America has to offer in the way of freedom and other cultures, they would be killed by a true follower of Islam because they would be considered apostates – betrayers of the true “religion”. So, in actuality, they are not real muslims.

    Second, Dan III is incorrect in calling Obama a muslim, for the very reasons I have listed above, plus one: a true follower of Islam must worship Allah. Obama only worships Obama, “The One”. Obama IS a friend of muslims, and will do all that he can to support and protect them. As he said in his ghost-written book “Aud-ass-ity of Soap”, I mean, Audacity of Hope,
    “I will stand with the Muslims should political winds shift in an ugly direction”. That is the only true statement I have ever heard attributed to this creature masquerading as President. Of course, since the book was most likely written by someone besides Obama, the statement was probably never made by him, which preserves his reputation as someone who never told the truth in his life.

    As I have written repeatedly on other blogs, including my own, no culture, no country, no religion can coexist with Islam, because Islam states quite clearly that it will permit no other religion (culture, country, etc.) to exist. The Universal Caliphate is required to rule the entire world, with no exceptions, as they were attempting when they were stopped at the gates of Vienna, the last time they tried it. Nothing will prevent them from continuing except for ridding the world of this filthy, degenerate, deadly disease that pretends to be a religion. Show me a true believer of Islam, and I will show you someone who will kill you, rape your wife, sister, mother or daughter then go one to rape your male children, followed by your goat, donkey and dog. And then kil them all.

    I say, as distasteful as it may sound, as bloodthirsty and uncivilized as it might seem, the world needs to either place them all on an island they cannot escape from or kill those true believers first.

    • Treaded says:

      Reg a little more graphic than I care to put up but basically the same thing I said in my entry. It’s not just Islam that presents a danger – radicalized religion of any kind inherently is the enemy of freedom and liberty. Don’t think for one second the Westboro crowd would love nothing more than to impose their ideals and morals on the rest of us.

      As long as religion exists subservient to freedom and liberty serving only as a moral foundation by providing guidelines for the proper and ethical treatment of all then things stay in balance. Once it doesn’t then you end up with what is happening in England and across the pacific and the rest of the Muslim world.

      I may come down as against religion (I myself am religious) but honestly – religion has been the Casus belli for the majority of conflicts throughout mankind’s history. My view is it has to take a backseat to freedom and liberty. You want to use it to guide your everyday life? Fine. But when it demands you impose it’s views by forcing them down the throats of others that is when it crosses the line.

    • DAN III says:

      Aaaahhh….nice attempt at.insults there Reg….”the adult Dan”….couldn’t resist could you ? Please explain here as to why I’m childish with my comments ? Could you ? Would you ? Can you ?

      You concentrated on undermining my claim that soetoro-obama is a Muslm while totally ignoring soetoro-obama’s usurption of Article 2, Section1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution.

      You have your invite RegT….

      DAN III
      “There Are Enemies Amongst Us”

  11. adparare says:

    Reblogged this on Ad Parare.

  12. Treaded says:

    Alright, enough of that shit – there’ll be none of the sparky slapfighting here on my watch. Both of you guys go and reload some ammo or establish a cache – put your energies into construction rather than destruction..

  13. Fenris says:

    Hey Tread, when are we going to get some more hip-pocket book learning?
    Looking forward to all you can give.

  14. Wes says:

    Solid post Treated. And I’m actually encouraged by the fact that there is some tension/arguing in the comment section because we are actually talking about it.

  15. Idahobob says:

    Thank you for putting an end to the childish arguing.

    Way too much of that shit is allowed to continue, ad nauseam, on other sites, by the same perpetrators.

    Keep up th good writing (when you have time).

    Bob
    III

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